How Can You Be Sure that You Will Spend Eternity with God?/Program 2 | John Ankerberg Show

How Can You Be Sure that You Will Spend Eternity with God?/Program 2

By: John Ankerberg Show
By: Dr. Erwin Lutzer; ©2003
Ephesians 2:8 says: “For by grace are ye saved through faith, that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.” Why is Grace So Amazing?



Welcome. I have just one important question that I want to ask you today. I believe it’s is the most important question anyone can ever ask you. It is this. Whenever the time comes for you to die — do you know for certain that you will spend eternity with God? The Bible says , you can have absolute assurance in your heart — right now — that you are one of God’s children, and whenever you die , you are saved today , saved tomorrow and saved forever. My guest will be Dr. Irwin Lutzer, who is senior pastor of Moody Memorial Church in Chicago , Illinois. To help you answer the important question of how you can be certain that you will spend eternity with God, we have come at this question many different ways. So I hope you will listen carefully.

Ankerberg: We’re talking about the topic, “How you can be sure you will spend eternity with God.” Is there anything more important than that? You want to know for sure. Now, some people think you can’t know. The Bible says you can know, and we’re going to tell you why and how you can know for sure. In fact, our topic today is “why is grace so amazing?”
We all know Ephesians 2:8: “For by grace are ye saved through faith, that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works lest any man should boast.” But I don’t think we really understand the depth of those words. And my good friend, Dr. Erwin Lutzer, the pastor of Moody Memorial Church, is here. He has written a fabulous book on this that we’re going through together, and our goal is to share with you these truths of God’s Word so that you can hear the music, that you can hear the joy that comes when you understand what grace really is.
Now, Erwin, I think the best way to get into this topic of why grace is so amazing is, let’s talk about the guy that wrote the song.
Lutzer: Everybody knows the song, “Amazing Grace.” What they might not know is the context in which it was written. First of all, John Newton was a notorious sinner. As a matter of fact, he was willing to give people a prize if they could think of some way, some sin, that he had as yet not committed. So here he is. It’s 1748, and he’s on a ship called the Greyhound. And a tremendous storm comes up. I mean, they were being battered. It’s almost certain they’re going to go under. And Newton says to the captain, “If God does not have mercy on us, we’re going to go under.” And the captain is shook, because here’s this hardened, swearing, hard-drinking, slave-driving person saying, “If God doesn’t have mercy on us, then what?”
So, all of the men were trying to man the pumps to keep the vessel afloat. Newton had a Bible his mother had given him, and even on the ship he read these words. Now, just think of the context. This is actually from the book of Proverbs, but he’s reading this, and he reads, “If you had responded to my rebuke, I would have poured out my heart to you and made my thoughts known to you. But because you have rejected me when I called, and no one gave heed when I stretched out my hand, since you ignored all my advice and would not accept my rebuke, I in turn will laugh at your disaster; I will mock when calamity overtakes you – when calamity overtakes you like a storm, when disaster sweeps over you like a whirlwind” [Prov. 1:23-27].
So the guy’s scared to death.
Ankerberg: Hit you right in the face with that one!
Lutzer: He’s scared to death. So eventually, as we might guess, the storm subsided and the sailors were spared. But, Newton began to read the Bible. Could I take time to read his words exactly as I quote them in my book?
Ankerberg: Sure.
Lutzer: He said, “I needed someone to stand between me and a holy God who must punish my sins and blasphemies. I needed an Almighty Savior who would step in and take away my sins. I saw that Christ took my punishment so that I might be pardoned.” Little wonder he wrote, “Amazing grace, how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me.”
But John, even so, there are many people who do not really understand how amazing grace is. I remember in Chicago there was a news commentator who was quoted in the newspaper as saying this: “Someday I’ll do something about my spiritual life and my walk with God, if I get serious about it.” Now, he said, in fact, “I am not in a state of grace, but I can do something about it if I get serious about it.”
Well, the simple fact, John, is that that shows that man still did not understand. He did not understand the nature of grace. Because there’s nothing we can do about our condition, no matter how serious we get about it. As long as we are still thinking that we can do something about it, we still do not understand grace, which is God’s unmerited favor toward us.
Ankerberg: Alright, talk to that as well as add one more category to it. There are a lot of people that say, “You know, grace is necessary” and they’ve got a grace program going. But the grace program is, part of it is God’s grace and part of it is what they do. They haven’t got a clue either.
Lutzer: No, they don’t.
Ankerberg: Tell them why, because they would object to that.
Lutzer: Because you see, in the minds of many people, grace helps me. Well, the simple fact is, we don’t need help, we need a resurrection. You know, in Ephesians 2, the Apostle Paul says that before we come to Christ, we are dead in our trespasses and sins. Now, imagine yourself walking through a cemetery and you say, “Well, I’d really like these people who are in the cemetery, these corpses, to live. But you know, I have to give them a little bit of help.” No. They don’t need help. They need a tremendous miracle from the hand of God. They’re beyond the need for help. And that’s the way we are without Christ. In fact, the Apostle Paul says it very clearly, “As for you, you were dead in your transgressions and your sins in which you used to live, when you followed the ways of the world and the ruler of the kingdom of the air” [Eph. 2:1-2]. He says, in effect, we are really deceived by Satan. We don’t know it, but we are. In fact, he goes on to say we are depraved because we’re walking according to our own lusts. And this is our condition. And so the question is, how do we help people in a state like that? Now, mind you, just because they are dead in trespasses and sins, that doesn’t mean that they can’t go skiing in Colorado. That doesn’t mean that they can’t go grocery shopping or go to a symphony, or enjoy life or listen to this program. They can do all of that. One thing they cannot do, though, is give themselves life. That has to be from God.
Ankerberg: See, there are all kinds of versions of grace. It’s grace that God gives, plus the Church sacraments. There’s grace plus certain works that people have said that they’ve got to do that’ll get them there. And they are convinced, either by Church authority, or by their own little religious group. Or apart from that, there’s some people that say, “I’m going to give up church but I’m just going to be good and to the extent that I’m good, that I can try, I’m going to be very sincere about this. I know not everybody’s perfect, but the part that I don’t do, that’s where God’s grace comes in. But He expects me to try; and because I try, I’m going to make it.”
Lutzer: John, I want you to know that people who believe any of the variations that you have given really do not understand either their desperate need, nor do they have a biblical understanding of grace. Just a quick comment regarding the Sacraments: we know that Jesus instituted the Lord’s Supper and baptism, and some people believe that grace is communicated through these means. But the Bible is very clear ultimately that our walk with God is in God’s hands and not the hands of a man or even in the hands of a priest. God works directly in the human heart. These are symbols that Jesus Christ instituted and they are not the means of salvation by which you become better and better and hopefully, at some point, you’ll be good enough to enter into Heaven.
And as for the folks who think, “Well, I do my part and God does His,” you know, John, one day I was in a restaurant and a woman recognized the man with whom I was having lunch, and she came over. He was a religious leader. I won’t tell you his name, though I think you would know him. And I asked her, “Now, if you were to die today and God were to say to you, ‘Why should I let you into Heaven?,’ what would you say?” And she said, “Oh, my husband and I, we made $1,200 in a bake sale and we gave that to charity.”
So I said, “Well, what if God’s standards were higher than that. What would you say then?”
“Well, I’ve been a good person.” And on and on she went. And then the man that I was with told a story. He said that someone came to the doors of Heaven and Peter said, “Why should I let you in?”
And the man said, “I have been baptized.”
And Peter said, “Oh, you know, that’s 20 points.”
And he said, “I’ve lived a good life.”
“Well, that’s 30 points. Now you’re up to 50.”
Then the person said, “Well, I went to church regularly.”
“Well, that’s another 20 points. So you’re up to 70 points.”
And the guy says, “Up to 70 points? That’s all that I have?”
And Peter said, “Oh, you’re so fortunate. You’re only up to 70 points, but the grace of God is 30 points. So now you can enter into Heaven.”
And I pointed out to that person and to the lady that was standing there that any such understanding of grace is to undermine totally everything that the New Testament teaches about grace.
Ankerberg: I think that you’re right on the target. So the people would say, “You know, Erwin, I’m starting to smell here that you’ve got a different definition of grace than I’m holding. And I don’t even know what yours is. Now, you’re the pastor of Moody Memorial Church and I’m just going to throw this one to you now. What is your definition – which you’re saying is in the Bible – what is this definition of grace that has not even been discussed yet? You’re saying all these others are wrong, so what is grace as you define it?”
Lutzer: Let me just turn to the Bible here. We’re in Ephesians 2. Paul says, “We are dead in trespasses and sins” [v. 1] and then he says in verse 3, “We were by nature the objects of wrath” and in verses 4-5, “but because of His great love for us, God, who is rich in mercy, made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in our transgressions – it is by grace that you have been saved.”
The point that I’m making is this, John. Grace is God’s unmerited favor, but it’s not His unmerited favor that just helps us to be better people or adds to what we have already done. Grace is entirely God’s work when it comes to salvation. When Jesus was standing at the tomb of Lazarus He didn’t say, “Well, now, Lazarus, you do part of this and I’ll do part of it. If you wiggle your hand, I’ll do the rest.” He had to do it all. And the Bible says that salvation, from beginning to end, is God’s. But I can understand, John, someone who is listening today who says, “Yeah, but at least I have to believe,” and that’s true; but even that belief is God-given. So if there’s someone listening today who wants to believe, that’s wonderful. And we should pray that they would. But they have to understand that it is all of God. Our contribution… don’t you contribute anything? Yes, we do. We contribute our sin. But when we come to the table, we bring nothing except our great need. Grace means I don’t come just to be better, I come for a miracle. Grace means I don’t come simply because I think that I can do with a little bit of help. I need to be rescued. And that’s why grace is so incredibly amazing.
Ankerberg: We’re going to take a break and we’re going to come back and we’re going to talk about why grace, in essence, is a whole present that God has prepared Himself and purchased Himself and is making it available to you and you do nothing except passively receive it. It is so great when you understand what God has done and we’re going to talk about what’s in this package and what did it cost God and how can people receive that. So stick with us, we’ll be right back.

Ankerberg: Alright we’re back. We’re talking with Dr. Erwin Lutzer about the important topic, how you can be sure, how you can be certain that you will spend eternity with God. I think you want to be certain, don’t you? Well, we have to talk about what grace is. Yes, it’s free to us. It’s a gift that God prepares and makes available to us. But, Erwin, it cost God a lot to provide this gift. You have a great story that has a lot of different angles that it hits. Tell us about grace via this story.
Lutzer: Well, there was a missionary who made friends with a Hindu. And the purpose of the friendship was, of course, because we respect one another, but also the missionary was trying to explain to the Hindu that salvation has to be a free gift. Maybe I should just pause there and emphasize why it has to be a free gift. It’s something to which we can make no contribution. And Jesus Christ paid it all. Now, the Hindu was not buying this because, in his mind, there had to be some works connected with it. But before the missionary left on a trip, the Hindu gave to this missionary one of the most beautiful pearls that anyone could ever possibly see. And the Hindu said, “This pearl was captured in the water by my son who drowned in the process.” And the missionary, who was so grateful, said, “Thank you very, very much. I’d like to pay you for this.”
And the Hindu, of course, was offended. “What do you mean, pay?! Is there any price that you could possibly put upon this pearl that cost me the death of my son?”
And then the Hindu began to understand. That’s why we can never pay God for what Jesus did for us on the cross. How can we even begin to pay for the love of God and the grace of God where Jesus would become a sacrifice for us and become our sin-bearer? And we’re going to be emphasizing that particularly in the next program, what that means. But how can we possibly pay God back? That’s why throughout all of eternity we’re going to be debtors to God. And that’s why I think Heaven is going to be so filled with praises is that we are going to see more beautifully than we can even imagine here on earth the fact that we were saved by God’s grace and entirely by God’s grace.
Ankerberg: Erwin, some people, though, listen to that and they say, “Listen, it’s still a fact that I’m better than my neighbor. Okay? Doesn’t that count for something? I mean, I should be able to get in just on my record.”
Lutzer: First of all, let me say that I’m glad that the person says that he’s better than his neighbor, but unfortunately, we’re not in a position to be able to judge ourselves. By the way, most people revise themselves upwards. But, John, here’s the point. Let’s go back to Ephesians 2:1. We are “dead in trespasses and sins” without Christ. Now, we may have two corpses – maybe this person has been dead for 20 years and this person has only been dead for three days. Does it really matter? If they’re going to live, both of them need the very same miracle.
And today we may be speaking to someone who has sinned greatly. You know, years ago when John Wayne Gacy was put to death in Illinois, he was a man, a pervert actually, who had killed I think something like 18 young boys in Chicago and then hid the bodies under his home. You know what the amazing thing was when you saw him on television? You would expect him to look like some evil person. I mean, I remember seeing him and I was expecting horns or demons coming out of him. I was shocked by how ordinary he looked. The simple fact is that we’re all members of the same race. We may not do what he did, thankfully, but the simple fact is we’re all sinners. And we can’t say to ourselves, “Well, he needed God’s forgiveness but I don’t.”
Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn said it very well. He said wouldn’t it be wonderful if you had good people in the world and bad people in the world, and we put all the good people on one side, all the bad people on the other? But he said the line does not go between the good people and the bad people. The line really does not run there. He says that the line between good and evil runs through every single human heart. You and I know, John, how often it can be said that we are shocked at even what a good person can sometimes do.
Ankerberg: Right along this line, Erwin. We’re talking to people that think they’re too good to need this grace. On the other hand, we’ve got to remember there’s a whole lot of people that feel they’re really bad. They have messed up their life. I want to talk about how grace is powerful enough to change a person. And you’ve got a great illustration in your book about a young couple who came to you.
Lutzer: Well, let me illustrate this, first of all, by saying there are two categories of people who find it difficult to accept grace. The first are those who have sinned greatly, usually moral sins – prostitutes, drug dealers. They think to themselves, “I’ve messed up so bad, God is so mad at me, I can’t accept grace.”
The other people who find it difficult to accept grace are the “goody-two-shoes,” the religious type. I mean, don’t they volunteer to do social work? Haven’t they given some money to charity? Don’t they pay all their bills? They don’t have a criminal record, why do they need grace? The simple fact is, both categories of people desperately need grace and both can accept grace. This is why I think,… by the way, Jesus said that the prostitutes will go into the kingdom of Heaven even sooner than the religious types of His day because they saw no need for God’s matchless grace (Matt. 21:32). Let’s hand it to the drug dealers and the prostitutes. At least they know that if they are going to be saved, it will be by grace.
You know, one day, John, I was in a church and a young couple came forward and I was counseling them. And this is their story. Okay, she had come to know Christ as Savior. But they had belonged to a wife-swapping club and as she brought her husband to church, I don’t think he wanted to be there. I think she probably dragged him there. I think he wanted to be there about as much as a counterfeit coin enjoys being on an offering plate! But there he was. His wife had dragged him to church and now he came forward after the meeting. He said, “I believe in a wife-swapping club. Or at least,” he says, “I’m attending and we’re part of that.” But I knew that his wife had come to know Christ recently. So I said to him, “Are you willing to accept Christ as your Savior?” And I’ll never forget. He said, “If you think that I’m going to stop doing what I’m doing,” he said, “I can’t. Because,” he said, “There’s no way I can get out of this.” You know, the addiction is too deep basically is what he was saying. And I said to him, “Are you willing to acknowledge that you are a sinner and that you need to accept Christ as Savior and that you need to be received by God’s grace if you’re going to be accepted by God?”
And he said, “Yes.” And so I did something that I was very hesitant to do. I gambled on grace. I said, “Why don’t you accept Christ as Savior. As long as you realize, number one, that you’re a sinner. You cannot contribute to your salvation. You’re throwing yourself helplessly on God’s mercy and accept Christ as your sin-bearer and then let’s worry about your wife-swapping club later.”
He accepted Christ that night. And I wondered to myself, “I wonder if his life ever changed.” A couple of weeks later he made an appointment to see me and I wondered, “What are we going to talk about?” You know, the only thing on his agenda was what Bible college to attend because he wanted to go into the ministry.
Now, here are two powerful lessons about grace. First of all, that grace is communicated to those who are in desperate need no matter of their lifestyle. Grace is available to them. But there’s a second lesson. Once we’ve received God’s grace, we are never quite the same again. In another program we are going to be talking about what it means to be born again and we’ll see that God gives us a new nature with new desires, new aspirations, so that for this man, he could not go back to his former lifestyle. God had given him a whole new set of inner priorities. That is grace, and that’s why it is so amazing.
Ankerberg: To wrap this segment up, Jesus talked about two men who both believed in grace.
Lutzer: Oh, John! This is such a powerful story found in the book of Luke [18:10ff]. Both of them believed in grace. Now, here’s a man who goes into the temple and says, “I thank thee, God, that I am not like other men who are adulterers, extortioners, and so forth. And he says, “I fast twice a week. I’m a good person.” He thanked God for that. He believed in grace. He believed that he was able to do these good works in the power of God’s gift.
Then there was another man, the publican, who never even had the nerve to look God in the eye. He never raised his head to Heaven, the Bible said. But he smote himself and he said, “God be merciful to me, the sinner!” And Jesus said this second man went home justified and the other did not.
Ankerberg: That’s so powerful because you have two men who believed in grace but one had the wrong belief in the grace and he did not get justified.
Lutzer: One believed that grace was wonderful to help you to do better. The other believed in a grace that was much greater than that, the grace to be able to save somebody from the ground up, somebody who has nothing to depend upon. And today, listening to this program and watching us, John, there’s somebody just like that, I believe, who honestly believes, “I have nothing to contribute. I’ve messed it up so bad, there’s nowhere that I can go. I’ve ruined other people’s lives.” I’ve received letters from people in prison who tell me awful stories of what they’ve done, and they think to themselves, “There’s no hope for me.” And I want to tell them today that there is hope for them because grace is very amazing. In fact, there may be more hope for them than the religious person who’s listening, who’s a churchgoer who thinks he’s doing pretty well, thank you, and grace comes along to give them a hand. But the other person knows grace just doesn’t give me a hand, it gives me a tremendous miracle.
Ankerberg: I want you to pray with these folks in a moment. But folks, as you’re listening, have you realized the good news of what he’s been talking about? Maybe you are the goody-two-shoes. Maybe you are the churchgoer, and you’ve had doubts every once in a while, “Am I going to make it?” because you’ve been doing your own set of good works and you’re saying, “Well, God’s going to add to that.” But you have depended in some way, even a little bit, on your good works. And that’s your problem. You’ve got to abandon anything that you would do and realize God gives the whole thing through Christ. Christ did everything that is necessary for us to be accepted before the Father.
On the other hand, maybe you’re one of those who thought God wouldn’t have anything to do with you. Listen, you’re in a good spot to realize He loves you so much, He’ll give you the whole package – forgiveness, a relationship with Him – if you will just transfer your trust to the Lord Jesus today. Are you willing to do that right now? If so, Erwin, would you lead in prayer for these folks that would like to abandon anything that they were depending on to get them into God’s presence, to get into Heaven, to get forgiveness of sins and they’re willing to transfer all of their trust totally to what Christ did and believe in Him only.
Lutzer: That’s right. Let’s pray. Our Father, I want to thank you today for the wonder of Jesus. Thank you that He saves real sinners, terrible sinners. And we pray today, Father, for those who have been listening and watching, and we ask that you’ll give them the grace to pray a prayer something like this: “Oh God, I know that I have sinned. I know that I am a wretch, even as the song points out: a wretch like me. But at this moment, I receive Christ. I trust His mercy. I abandon all hope in my own goodness and my own performance, and transfer my trust totally to someone who is capable of saving me and becoming my Sin-bearer. I receive Him and I accept the promise that as many as received Him, to them He gives the authority to become the sons of God, even to those who believe on His name. [John 1:12] Bring assurance to these people, the assurance of faith, we pray in Jesus name. Amen.”
Ankerberg: Alright, Erwin, what are we going to talk about next week?
Lutzer: Next week I’m going to share something that is so incredibly important. Whether a person is a Protestant or a Catholic, they’ve got to tune in because it’s revolutionary and will help us understand this important doctrine of salvation.
Ankerberg: Folks, I know what he’s going to say, and I agree. You need to hear it next week.

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